USSC probably would have to weigh in the NPVC since the legislatures usurped the choice of their populace in who their electoral votes go to. Replacing the League of Women Voters with a Bipartisan commission, when the League decided to invite a third party candidate. probably Trump made her do it in TDS world. Jeezus K!!! Four years earlier Trump wasn’t really on the radar either. I guess it’s so much more sophisticated and “arrived” to sit in a corner with your litmus paper and bitch about your choices. Problem for third parties is that voting turnout isn’t dropping. There is no such thing as a “Left Libertarian” so stop trying to convert people who want “equality”. There is not much compelling evidence that American voters as a whole care about particular policies. Then the final decision shifts to the Electoral College. Please read more than one biased article before making comments like this. If you’re looking for a coherent, compelling version of Stephen King’s pandemic opus, keep on walking. Ciaramella There is ample reason to suspect that 2020 for third parties will resemble more the wipeout of the 2018 midterms rather than a typical cycle. b. Late-deciding voters in 2016, like independents, disproportionately took a flyer on the outsider real estate mogul. Each week, you’ll find a Deck made for middle school and high school learners on a current-events topic, complete with thought-provoking interactive questions and embedded videos from reliable sources. — Nothing. Yes love the small government wuss. And you’re just a moron. Just like in California, the people can decide between the progressive Left and the center Left. So instead of voting for a walking corpse who will immediately be replaced by a statist asshole from California you’d like me to vote for a still breathing statist asshole from New York. As far as I can see, team loyalty is pretty strong for team blue. Only one that I can think of, the State Duma party [Putin] from the Communist Party in Russia, if you think there’s much difference. It’s time to abolish the Electoral College, says this paper by Darrell M. West from the Brookings Institution. I suspect you are correct for the majority of the Republican field, though NObody is ready to pull a lever for Jeb – still – and hopefully forever. States, not people, are the original source of power. It’s a win until they get to the third neck. Trump has committed many crimes. Editor's Note: We invite comments and request that they be civil and on-topic. Take a poll after the first debate, among people who really watched it. Newsela. If you only had one and people are not happy with something you get blamed for it and someone cuts off the head of the king. Lowdown post and watching the video How the Electoral College Works. Accessibility | Learn more and come to your own conclusion with this PBS NewsHour lesson. If Trump ran as a third party instead of a Republican he would have gotten a significant amount of votes. It goes the other way as well. They would have gold plated fire hydrants for dogs to pee on before any issues impacting the rest of the states were ever addressed. I don’t think the Democrats will be destroyed – but in the unlikely event they are, it will be from the Reps stealing many of their issues. Along with Rush Limbaugh having a better libertarian answer to Aleppo than Johnson. I am wondering how many Gary Johnson voters have switched to Trump this time around. ", This year the number of undecideds is uncharacteristically low. Other parties are allowed, but only for the purpose to look like Putin is a favorite son, not a dictator. Kinda like when the Republican Governor of MI in 2014 got the blame for toxic water in Flint Michigan despite 50 years of the city and county being run by Democrats. I know…. Somebody like Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush, who would not have excited these voters in 2016, should do fine with the blue-collar faction moving forward. REPLY. Honestly, both parties are in the throws of kicking their own ass with this as well. Nah. Many crimes? Nine is a small number of polls, and the support for the Libertarian Party's Jo Jorgensen and the Green Party's Howie Hawkins is often lower than the margin of error, so one shouldn't extrapolate overmuch from these results. The Electoral College recognizes the importance of individual states. The electoral college is the name for the voting system that determines who will be president of the United States. I don’t have Facebook. Robby Soave The Republicans sound like the Democrat Party of the 1960’s and the Libertarians sound like the Republican party of the 60’s ….1860’s that is. But when they do things they get criticized, so it is safer to do nothing. d. The Senate decides by a simple majority of states (26 states must choose the winning candidate). The idea that third parties only steal from the Democrats is bullshit. They received 402,810 votes in 1904, for 3.0% of the popular vote, and an overall third-place finish. “Libertarians can focus on forcing the GOP to cut budgets or compete against the GOP.”. It would take a total moron not to realize that the rabbi is a parody account. 12.13.2020 3:15 PM, Population-wide lockdown orders are "such a dramatic inversion of the concept of liberty in a free society as to be nearly presumptively unconstitutional" wrote U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV, Christian Britschgi It is better for both parties. The electoral college gives small states more weight in the political process than their population would otherwise confer. Of course there’s nobody currently in the field trying to emulate Trump at this point. In a fair-minded country, any ballot qualified political party would be included in the first Presidential debate, regardless of poll standings. About Us | Join the Team | Help Desk, Mailing Address 308 E Burlington St #303, Iowa City, IA 52240-1602, Tel 319-209-5165 Fax 319-483-6949Help 1-833-PEARDECK, ©2020 Pear Deck, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Yes. The biggest practical difference is the quantity of stupid regulations, and some number of Supreme Court nominations. How t h e U n i t e d St a t e s e l e c t s i t s pr e s i de n t s Image 1. 12.10.2020 4:28 PM, © 2020 Reason Foundation | If Trump and Biden were my only two choices, and there wasn’t a write-in option, I just wouldn’t cast a vote for President. This article is available at 5 reading levels at https://newsela.com. The electoral college, proponents say, makes U.S. presidential elections less contentious by providing a clear ending. Pro #2: It provides a clean, widely accepted ending to the election (most of the time). They could have elected Harris. Fair or not fair? If Trump loses I expect the Republican Party to nominate somebody who is relatively normal in 2024. In one Kentucky survey, the inclusion of third parties extends Trump's lead by 2 percentage points, and in one national poll, they decrease Biden's advantage by 4. Third party participation would lessen the chances of a Biden beatdown/meltdown/stroke. Trump won the primaries primarily because he could differentiate himself as pretty much the only anti-immigration, anti-global trade guy on the stage. i think the crying over systemic racism is a creation of activists in league with the media. Let’s start with every governor who took on emergency powers and instituted lockdowns and other restrictions on commerce and free movement. If they want to be relevant, they need to start EARNING votes. It’s not a hurdle the LP can ever clear, because it’s adjusted as necessary to make sure they don’t clear it. Ah, but where will they go? The Electoral College system, long a source of controversy, came under especially heavy criticism after the 2016 presidential election when Republican Donald Trump lost the nationwide popular vote to Democrat Hillary Clinton by over 2.8 million votes but won the Electoral College—and thus the presidency—by 74 electoral votes. It maintains a formal federal structure of government while preserving political power within the states. (That’s another country and none of our business.). Those two re-inventions are impossible to predict but will be fascinating to observe in real-time. I make up to $90 an hour on-line from my home. United States presidential election of 1896, American presidential election held on November 3, 1896, in which Republican William McKinley defeated Democrat-Populist William Jennings Bryan. The system is rigged that way. You’ve exceeded your dumbass paranoid comment quota for the day. And lots of people overlook the crazy bullshit and vote for them anyway. We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time. answer choices . It will never happen, because the bipartisan committee on the debates will not allow it. Actually, the chief reason 3rd parties do so badly is that, back in the 80’s, when the LP and other 3rd parties started to gain traction, the major parties figured out the threat, and rigged things. Once the Democrat Party is destroyed, then Libertarians can focus on forcing the GOP to cut budgets or compete against the GOP. The forced lockdown of Americans is fascist. gives too much power to states with the highest populations. Independents this time around prefer Biden by double digits. But he didn’t waste his time and effort on an impossible run and went into the party closest to his platform and won. I would wager it’s a pretty high percentage. Socialism is fucked up, but it at least pretends to be something different. He won the first time around in New Mexico as a Republican. Harris would be uniquely awful in ways Trump is only potentially awful. The presidential campaign of 1896 was one of the … The only advantage to losing now is having four unadulterated years for the makeover; winning means they’d have to combine the makeover with gradually distancing themselves from Trump. The Electoral College is outdated. The vindictiveness of the Democrats will force Trump to find a country with no extradition treaty with the US. From a long-term parody account. George Lucas says selling Lucasfilm to Disney was 'very, very painful' While George Lucas netted a cool $4.05 billion when he sold Lucasfilm to Disney, the director has said that selling his company was 'very, very painful' nonetheless. But he decided to waste time space and money the last two elections and never got HIS MESSAGE out to voters because he wanted to be idealistic. In … Editorial: Electoral College is vital – The Augusta Chronicle, May 18, 2020 . But is there polling evidence for the notion that the remaining nonconformists could, in Collins' words, "screw things up for the person most voters would actually prefer in the real world"? Too many Americans believe in a smaller Federal government. With Jorgensen averaging around 2.8 percent nationally and Hawkins 1.3, that already small number of voters could still shrink further in a hurry. It’s lack of voter interest. They already have a threshold for inclusion. Without the Electoral College, the states with the largest populations (California, New York, Texas, etc) would be overwhelmingly dominant over the smaller states. United States presidential election of 2000, American presidential election held on Nov. 7, 2000, in which Republican George W. Bush narrowly lost the popular vote to Democrat Al Gore but defeated Gore in the electoral college. Campaign finance that rule out every way third parties find to raise money. Some of this world’s greatest evils were perpetrated by individuals with “firebrand in [their] personalities”. Discriminatory ballot access rules that exhaust the 3rd parties before the general election campaign even starts. They want someone who is loud and obnoxious towards those who they feel is their opponent. More third world than it is under its current banana Republican clown fire? You Don't Need To Believe Andrew Cuomo's Accuser To Think He's a Terrible Governor, Ted Cruz's Eagerness To Fight Trump's Legal Battles Epitomizes the GOP's Complete Lack of Principles, Federal Court Rules Pennsylvania's Lockdown Order Unconstitutional, Hollywood Still Can't Figure Out How to Adapt, California's Health Secretary Concedes There Is No Empirical Basis for the State's Ban on Outdoor Dining, Self-Victimhood Is a Personality Type, Researchers Find. Your team is trying to kill democracy. But there are other ways of thinking about the question. The alternative to no third parties is not a five percent swing towards Biden (or Trump), but a five percent swing to stay home. Could be — but what policies? The ban is "not a comment on the relative safety of outdoor dining," Mark Ghaly says, but part of the effort to keep people from leaving home. But that’s okay in a world where “The most interesting man in the world” can become a 10B meme viral success. The electoral college has created tyranny of the minority. It goes on and on. We’ve teamed up with PBS NewsHour Extra to bring you free, ready-to-teach lessons on the events affecting our world today. Report abuses. I bet a full half of Libertarians would vote for Trump over Biden, and vice versa. https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/the-danger-of-the-national-popular-vote-compact/. But then Biden had to go and pick Harris, presumably because of her brown skin and vagina. _____3. Privacy Policy | No vindictiveness necessary to put him in prison forever, though I have no doubt Democrats will go for putting the past behind us like they did the warmonger and torturer Bush. Why does anyone assume that Libertarians are “taking votes” away from another party? Some Democrats like to blame Gary Johnson and Jill Stein for throwing the election to Trump, but the truth of the matter is Hillary lost because too many Democrat leaning voters chose to stay home because their candidate was crappier than the Republican candidate. “Libertarians have been talking about these issues for 40 years,” [Jorgensen] says. This is how the above poll results can mislead. The GOP faces the same danger that LP can’t see, and that is running some decades past version of stale oatmeal flavored pablum isn’t going to cut it. Get your copy of this Weekly Wonder! | In the near future, California will consist of mainly the 1% that liberals loathe due in large part to the growing list of state regulations. gives too much power to smaller states. Add up Electoral College votes, and use the interactive whiteboard's software to chart or graph the results. back in the 80’s, when the LP and other 3rd parties started to gain traction, the major parties figured out the threat, and rigged things. It’s not “establishmentarians” that keep third parties from succeeding. The same law for everyone is not “equality”, it’s justice. I’m glad you will suffer needlessly for the next four years and possibly forever. Against that backdrop, here's a thought for the Douglas Brinkleys and Gail Collinses of the world: Maybe the people who encounter your arguments 24 hours a day and still decide to vote Libertarian or Green are just…not Democrats or Republicans. Exploring the Electoral College Overview In this lesson, students will learn about the history and structure of the Electoral College. And vote the fascist pigs out. Then it will be the Libertarians vs Republicans. 12.13.2020 7:00 AM. So what is the plan to get a Libertarian invited to the debates. The state government is controlled by Democrats, the Governor is a Democrat, the largest city is a Democrat stronghold – that Detroit is a shithole just isn’t their responsibility even though there’s no one else around they can blame it on. The idea that they only steal from Republicans is bullshit. You may still get your wish, whether from third parties or otherwise. With virtually no undecided voters and a history that an incumbent with less than 50% in the polls rarely, if ever, wins (undecideds go to the challenger) the election is all but over. The math is leaning against him. After that first debate??? Then when do we have the Jo vs Kanye debate? The far-right reactionary party is stuffing the ballot box and distracting you from it with Facebook memes of scary blacks. 12.15.2020 4:00 AM, Scott Shackford But it’s often easier to start a fire than put it out. For or against changes to the Electoral College? A vital third-party candidate would likely help him tremendously.". A common criticism of the Electoral College is that it. Hopefully, you live in a red state so your vote will not matter. Government will not take away either God or guns. Where are the left leaning voters going to go? Don’t try to be “cool” and use lefty expressions like “Single Payer Health Care”, it’s State Health Care. There aren’t enough far-right reactionaries to form one party, let alone two. Sorry, but I’ve now seen a bunch of guys with silly hats grow into the Tea Party [yes I know mostly fizzled now], 3 Marxists launch BLM, and some poorly raised children with skateboards launch Antifa. Trump’s policies played some part in his popularity, but it was mostly because he was not a mainstream politician, that he spoke his mind, and while a few politicians have recognized that, none have duplicated it, and it will be a long time before any will. NEXT: Should You Be Able To Sue a Business for Exposing You to Coronavirus? | C.J. This year I have both “Libertarian” and “Jorgensen/Cohen” stickers on. As Ohio Northern University political scientist Robert Alexander recently told The Bulwark, "A number of polls in 2016 found that 13-15% were going into the last days of the election undecided or considering a third party. allows a person to win the presidency without a majority of votes. “Maybe the two parties need to do more than exist to earn votes.”. In three of those polls, the margin between Democratic nominee Joe Biden and Republican incumbent Donald Trump has remained the same. BLM thinks the injustice is due to police racism. Libertarian voting for Trump and Republican in election 2020. If someone with REAL substance is offered as a candidate, they feel that person speaks down to them. FML. By his own account, the Texas senator is committed to defending a dishonest, amoral, narcissistic bully. If that’s what you think Republicans want to do you are a deaf idiot. To win the presidency, a candidate must obtain 270 electoral votes. Probably about the same evidence that Mayor Pete would have forced everyone to become gay. The Electoral College was established in Article II of the US Constitution by the founding fathers as a compromise between a popular vote and having Congress choose the president. The Constitution is very clear. Or, at least, the only anti-immigration, anti-global trade guy on the stage who you didn’t know for sure was lying to you. Trump won because he appealed to racists, and majority support isn’t required to win elections in America. Gore, as Bill Clinton’s vice president for eight years, was the clear o “How the Electoral College Works” cites two explanations for the Electoral College: 1) The Electoral College gives small states more political power and prevents more populous states from dominating (the Senate was designed for the same reason). As the Washington Post observed at the time, "The number of undecided and third-party-supporting voters who were still free agents in the final week was as many as 1 in 8 voters nationally—an uncharacteristically high number for the eve of an election. They may or may not last, but in light of that, I’m having a hard time sympathizing with libertarians who have been around 50 years longer now still bitch that they can’t get any political power because the other guys won’t let them. | | The magic ballot! Over the past month, I count just nine polls that have asked the same set of respondents who they'd vote for with and without third-party and independent options. Trump is, well Trump, and Pence is an actual I’m-not-exaggerating theocrat. I’m glad that you’ve been molded by propagandists to hate Democrats. It is too early to tell but I am thinking that Trump and his cheerleaders have instilled enough fear of the Democratic Party into the blue-collar Republican voters that they will go along with whoever the white-collar conservatives will give them just to vote against the Democrats. I don’t have much idea who would run on the Democrat side, as they are running out of codgers and people tend to not like the rest of them. While I can’t ever imagine Greens voting for Trump, and can see them so disgusted with Biden that they stay home. After the few minutes of the debate that I watched, voting for JoJo is the only choice for me (or stay home). How does the Electoral College work? My hope is that the post-Trump Republican party will collapse and the future of US elections will be determined during the Democratic primaries. 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